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Chris
That's why we got to know God's word and why theology really, truly does matter. Why I love to preach God's Word and why I try to do it so passionately. Because it's not just facts or things that that don't really matter to the day to day program of our lives. They literally matter in everything we do, every environment we live, every relationship that we are in.

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Brenton
Well, welcome back to further. I am Brenton Grim. Today we have Chris here in studio. I, think this was poor planning on my side. We had three different people preach this week, and then I realized yesterday that none of them were in the office.

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Chris
And I wasn't one of them. So what am I doing here?

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Brenton
Exactly. So I guess just to give them their dues. Clay Baker, Nathan Williams and Matt Mitchell all preached this weekend. On John four. And so we're just going to kind of co-opt their messages and talk about it anyway. And then I wanted to say we ended up not doing the podcast last week. So apologize about that.

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Brenton
But we are back and we are out of the election cycle. How are you feeling, Chris?

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Chris
Well, does it ever really end? I mean, but, I, I don't know how I feel about that, and I'm feeling good about, what's going on in the church, and we've got some exciting things. We just had our, four core meeting. Sunday night was fantastic. Had a great group. What an incredible evening to just celebrate all the Lord is doing.

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Chris
And, talk about what we think he may have for us in the days ahead. And we'll get to that more this Sunday morning. And so if you you weren't there, you'll, you'll hear about it this Sunday. But some, some really big things that, I'm very excited about and just so grateful that the Lord is opening up these, opportunities for us.

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Brenton
Yeah. Yeah, we had a really good turnout on Sunday night, too, so thank you. Ever since we switched from calling it an annual business meeting to core, that might have had something to.

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Chris
Do with it. Yeah. Well.

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Brenton
They're good times.

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Chris
Yeah.

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Brenton
Okay. So as we kind of jump into John for, you know, one thing that was talked about, quite a bit was how Jesus, in this conversation with the woman at the. Well, crosses multiple cultural boundaries. To have the conversation at all. And so I guess we can we can talk about this a little bit, but do you think that we still have the same issues today, with having to, you know, cross cultural boundaries to, to have conversations with people outside the church?

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Chris
Yeah, maybe not exactly in the same way that that Jesus faced that, in this, conversation with this, this woman. But I think there's no doubt that, we do like to stay within what's familiar and comfortable with us. And, and so, especially as we, live in a more and more multicultural environment here in the US and as even true here in, you know, southeast Iowa, west central Illinois, you know, it's not nearly as multicultural is, you know, some of the other places, the urban centers and, and, the like.

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Chris
But it's becoming that more and more, I mean, we, we have, people, in our church that have, come from Ukraine, you know, they're refugees. They're they, they at least have have been visiting. We have people from multiple countries in Africa that, have moved here recently. And that's just to name a few. And we have, people from Asian countries and that, have come and are coming more and more to, to Burlington in particular.

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Chris
And so, you know, it's becoming definitely more multicultural. And so the challenge is there we going to actually be able to cross those, not just racial boundaries, but just the cultural differences and all that comes into play. There is very much still an issue today. And I'd say, definitely in places, like, we live in where it's been fairly homogeneous, culturally, for a long, long time.

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Brenton
Yeah. So, I think that what we see here with Jesus is that it was more of like a stigma that he was talking to her. Right. So, is that do you think the case today that we're worried about what other people would think, or is it just that we just maybe don't understand, you know, where someone else is coming from?

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Chris
Yeah. I mean, stigma is an interesting word, you know, for for Jesus. There was a racial issue, like the Jews in the Samaritans literally hated one another. There was a religious, divide. Yeah. You know, and, and, it's even addressed by the woman in the, in the story. Right. Says you'd, you say you need to worship here.

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Chris
We worship here. And, you know, the Samaritans or by the Jews were considered outcasts. They were, you know, and then the Jews just didn't have anything to do with them. There was a racial issue, was more of a religious issue, and impure and unclean. They're one of those pagan nations, essentially. They were looked down on because they were Jewish people who had intermarried.

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Chris
So they were they the the people who had compromised. And then on top of that, you know, Jesus, is talking with a woman. And we're actually going to see this week. So we only had time to get through part of the story this week. The disciples come and John literally says, and no of them, none of them asking why he was talking to a woman.

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Chris
Now, why would he say that? Well, because it was highly unusual. Men didn't talk to women who were not members of their family in public like it was. This is there's only a stigma. It's actually it was somewhat scandalous that that Jesus was was first of all, went through Samaria was definitely scandalous that he's talking to this woman who, as we, come to find out, is a, very morally compromised woman.

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Chris
So it's just like, layer upon layer of there's there's a moral boundaries. And that is Jesus crossed a it was immoral. But like that you didn't cross that line and really approach someone, who was, viewed to be immoral, who's a woman who's a Samaritan, you know, and just all of these things. And and there's a lot for us, I think, to take from that.

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Brenton
Okay. So what what do you think we can learn from from Jesus's example here?

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Chris
Well, I'm getting a little, maybe ahead of myself because I'm, Lord willing, going to be preaching this weekend, but Jesus was going to go on and say, this is the reason I came. This is the mission. Here's here's what I came to accomplish. And so, it's just stunning. Like he he came he's saying that he came for the person, the kind of people that you would least likely, or at least the Jewish religious establishment with thought that the Messiah would come for like this.

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Chris
This woman is literally the last person that, like I say, a Pharisee would think that Jesus had come for. And you know, there's a contrast that we should see between John three and John four, because in John three, Jesus is telling a Pharisee that he needs to be saved. Yeah, which would have been was obviously stunning to Nicodemus.

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Chris
And now we see something equally stunning that, a woman like this Samaritan woman could be saved. So it's just like Jesus is just kind of like he's tearing everything down and rebuilding it here in chapters three and four. And on the other side, you know, John chapter five. Now he's healing. Someone with a with a physical handicap.

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Chris
And, and so he just on and on and on. So I think though we can take from it is just, a or manifold things and it begins with is like everyone, the gospel is for everyone in that Jesus's mission was to get the gospel to everyone. He's actually going to say, you know, my mission is more important than actually eating physically eating his what we're going to see this week.

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Chris
And then he goes to say, you know, the harvest is plentiful. The labors are or isn't it? That's it's actually Matthew nine. But here he says, open your eyes, disciples. The fields are white for harvest. So, like, we're supposed to wake up and see, like the gospels for everybody, and we need to take the gospel to everybody, and we need to be willing to get uncomfortable.

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Chris
We need to be willing to deal with the stigma that comes may come about by us, going across these boundaries. And we need to, just be willing to do all of that because Jesus came to us to save, everyone. And, and I would just want to emphasize this sometimes, you know, we miss from, John three that Jesus didn't just come from the outcasts.

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Chris
He also came for the, the well-to-do, the the the the people in, in high positions. And, it can be easy to preach a passage like John four and just to and to miss that the John three component there as.

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Brenton
Well, you know. Yeah, I think just personally I don't see a lot of the, the stigma issues, at least in our areas. Like, I don't think that I, I would be looked at any differently for, for looking or, you know, talking to someone that that doesn't look like me or is in a different socioeconomic class or anything, like I wouldn't be worried about any of that.

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Brenton
But I think there is I think there is, just out of your comfort zone, you know, out of where you normally are with people. I think that that is maybe what, what would hold us back is just, you know, the the boldness to go and talk to someone that we know.

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Chris
Well, there can be, a hesitation to go to, to certain communities and in our, in our area. And, sometimes that's simply because we have a really, a poor under a poor understanding of, what the real situation is. Sometimes we, you know, we might need to look at our hearts and say, is there some racism, that might be there that we're not know, that we're not aware of?

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Chris
Hopefully, if we are aware of it, we're repenting of it. But, yeah, there's not there's not going to necessarily be a stigma, but there may be hesitation from us. And I would just, I mean, I experienced this years ago when we went and opened up the Maple Leaf Center is like there's some hesitation to, to to to be there.

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Chris
And, some of that I think it was masked, masked as, a safety issue when I think actually what was behind it was it was more maybe some hidden, quite frankly, hidden racism.

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Brenton
So interesting. Can you, can you expand on that a little bit? I mean, what the the topic of racism is just become such a such a hot topic in our, in our world. And I think one that is very, I don't know, it, it lacks specificity. And so can you kind of just talk about what your views are on?

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Brenton
Are you are you saying that we should like, be examining ourselves for, for hidden racism or. Like what? What would you say the expectation is for a Christian in this regard?

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Chris
Yeah, there's definitely ways that this can go sideways and churches have and are going sideways, especially in, in recent years. But what I'm, what I'm talking about there is, is that we can, we can look, down on people or judge people or make assumptions about people because of where they come from, the color of their skin, the, the circumstances of their, of their life.

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Chris
And it's we're we can not even necessarily be be aware of them. We can say things like, that's just the the culture or and, and and again, we may not even say that, but we, we may, necessarily think that we might be unnecessarily afraid of people, because of, you know, just, just assumptions that we have or that we pick up from the media or that we learn from our parents.

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Chris
And, so I think we just got to, be open to, how how we may actually view people or, groups of people in particular, incorrectly.

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Brenton
How how would you say, you know, we're off on a tangent now, but I find it interesting. How would you say that? Or would you say that the church has gone too far on some of these things?

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Chris
Yeah. I think that where, churches can go wrong is they, they separate this from, from the gospel and that the, the, the goal is simply, you know, I'm just we're going to confess, you know, like or admit that we're, we're.

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Brenton
Like a corporate confession.

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Chris
Or like a racism and like, there's, it's just about feeling there's guilt without any grace and forgiveness. And I think we should. This is true. And it's not. This is true for everybody. Like, I think one of the errors and that's perpetuated in our country right now is that white people are the only ones that are, have ever been racist or or struggle with racism.

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Chris
Sure. Okay. And it's just patently, just patently false. Okay. And that's a it's a lack of, you know, it's a historical ignorance, present ignorance. And, and president like this is in it in every human heart is a tendency to think that they're better than, than, than other people and that that's not necessarily just somebody of another race.

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Chris
It could be another gender. It could be just period. Right. Because it's actually when we get to almost every word justify, we're still trying to self justify ourselves. And sometimes we self justify ourselves by identifying with a group like I'm part of that group. So that makes me better than than that. But I think the, the huge issue that we see in our culture and then it's it's unfortunate, infiltrated many churches is just like this, again, it's you you should feel guilty for something that maybe you didn't.

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Chris
You're not actually guilty of. And and I should start confessing for, you know, other people, whatever the people have, have done. Now there is room for for corporate confession in the church. But then. But but more than that, there is this, like, guilt without without grace, without forgiveness, without, the reckoning like rec true reconciliation.

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Chris
And I think that that's, Yeah. And this is another area and I can imagine, you know, now we've gotten into another issue where if people we have questions or concerns, but this is another area where I just go back to, like, it's got to be nuance and, and we go on. Yes, you can go too far, but you can also not go, go, go far enough.

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Chris
And

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Brenton
Yeah.

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Chris
You know, I, grew grew up my my, my my grandfather, one of my grandfathers was, was very much a racist and, and I lived and watched that. He had, some African-Americans I work with, with him and like, I, I, I can still remember one of them. He was really. He's a good guy. And, and and, that that has a way of impacting you.

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Chris
You have your kid and you, you hear this from, you know, things that are being said or ways that people are being treated. And I just think that that, for many people, it impacts us more than, than we actually think that it does. Yeah. And how do we how do we talk about people? How do we how do we think about people?

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Chris
And are we willing to get, it recognized that some things that it's just different. It's not we will we will make things right and wrong, issues that aren't actually right and wrong. They're they're just different.

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Brenton
Yeah.

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Chris
You talk about like let's talk about language. They talk that way. But why don't they, why don't they, why don't they use better you know English or whatever. And it's and we make it into a, a right and wrong issue instead of like this is, this is, it's a culture. It's a cultural issue. And I know even people might, might disagree with that, but but can we see people, as God sees them and can we, you know, used to be and I disagree with us like we should be colorblind.

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Chris
I actually don't think that that's the case. We shouldn't be colorblind. God. God made people differently. And it's expression of, the, you know, we are made in his image and it just the diversity there tells us something about him and it's part of his beauty, to be. Yeah. Diverse. And so we should, value the diversity, not we, we tend to run from it like we tend to think is diversity is not a bad thing.

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Chris
It's a good thing. Now we can make it a God like and then get back to the culture. And even the church has been infiltrated. Like diversity, it's all about diversity. We wouldn't just embrace diversity. And there are churches and even some that I respect though they have like this. Like we want to become such a percentage of of, you know, this, this, you know, this group or and when we done that, we know and I just think that that's, I just think that that's misguided.

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Chris


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Brenton
Yeah. No. Yeah, I think I agree, I, you know, I think one thing that's maybe come out of it is just an overemphasis on it, at times. And I think that that can have negative effects on, you know, people sitting under under a pastor that is. It's making them question all the time. Well, am I racist? Am I like, do right?

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Brenton
Do I need to repent of something? And and maybe it's just not even there? Like maybe we're just searching for something that's not there and I'm not seeing obviously it still is around. It still exists. But but I think that it has in large part followed culture, and, and overemphasized the issue, but not, again, not that it's not there, but I think it needs to be put in its place.

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Brenton
And also realizing that, you know, the the person, the white person needs the same gospel as anybody or any other group. Like there's no divide there.

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Chris
So, yeah, well, I think there's so much we talk about here. But it in we didn't think we were that much talked about today. But here we are again. But I, I think we need to recognize that this was an issue in the church from the very beginning. Yeah. You know, Paul, Paul dealt with it on a regular basis.

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Chris
There was a the Jerusalem Council that was in part dealing with it. He he talks about it in Ephesians chapter three, talks about it in Galatians chapter four. And some, some, you know, he says we're one, we're one in Christ. So I think that we, we just we need to be aware that that can possibly be an issue and that, one of the things that this text tells us is like it challenges us like is is are we are we allowing cultural differences to, to inhibit, to prevent us from fulfilling our, our mission and just ask that question and, and I do agree with you.

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Chris
Like, I don't think it's I think it's really unhelpful for, for pastors or leaders to, to say, tell the people you're you're racist, you like. And I and people have never heard that from some from, from me, from here at Harmony. But at the same time it does. I don't think it's like we should also just assume, like, no, hey, we are the most welcoming people in the world.

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Chris
Yeah. So when we see somebody who's different than us, what is our response? Is it, is it it it are we moving towards people or away from people? And that and if we're moving away, why are we moving away? And what's what's going on in our hearts. And I think we just need to be open to that.

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Chris
Yeah.

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Brenton
That's good I appreciate that. All right. Verse 23 says, but the hour is coming and now is here, when the true worshipers will worship the father in spirit and truth. For the father is seeking such people to worship him. I have a couple questions here, but firstly, I'd like to just point out that Jesus says true worshipers will worship the father.

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Brenton
So this this question comes up once in a while and I'm curious to hear what you say. So when when we consider the Trinity in our worship, should we be worshiping one person over the others? How should we take this command?

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Chris
Yeah, I, I don't actually think it's, command here. I think he's actually stating what true worshipers do. That's for, but, I think we've got to again, look at the whole, the whole scripture and this and you go to a passage like Colossians one where it'll talk about Jesus, and say, like he's the image of the is of God, the firstborn of all creation, that in all things he might be preeminent.

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Chris
In other words, he has first place, which means like we're worshiping or worshiping him and Jesus. As we talked about last week, Jesus is going to keep showing us that he and the father are one. So to like to worship God is to worship all three members of the Trinity. I do think that, the Bible highlights the different members of the Trinity to us, and we we should, I believe, actually should worship him, should pray at all three members of the Trinity like that.

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Chris
And, and and when I say pray, I'm talking about commune communicate with like. Yeah. In other words, of course we got, you know, Jesus saying, tell us how to pray. Our father who art in heaven. But but obviously Jesus is the one. He's he's the mediator. He's the one who pleads before the father on our behalf. So praying through him and the Holy Spirit is the one who lives with us.

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Chris
And so we're to be led by the spirit. Spirit. Okay. What does it mean to be led by, well, obviously there's there's communication like in, in, in all of that. And so, yes, I think most often the, the, the commands or the direction is to pray to the, to the father. But I don't think that that prohibits and I in fact, I think there are other things that would lead us to, to actually pray to, communicate with all three members of the Trinity, the Holy Spirit.

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Chris
Our counselor, Jesus, is going to say that in John 40. They're 16. When you talk with your counselor, you know, it's not just a one way communication, right? Not that you have a counselor, but, you're my friend. Yeah, right. But, Yeah. So.

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Brenton
Okay. Yeah, I, I think that's good. I, I think partly what this is showing to is and and Jesus shows it throughout his ministry is just his submissiveness to the father. Right? I mean, he's he's constantly everything that he says is, is redirecting, you know, glory to the father. And that was, you know, a big part of his mission on earth.

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Brenton
And so, yeah, when that system with his.

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Chris
Ministry that's the other component is like, I think we also got to think about, like, Jesus's time here on earth and like, like that was a a short period of time. And that doesn't mean like the way that Jesus operated during his mission here on earth is the same way that things are happening. Yeah, both before that or now, after that.

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Chris
And going forward. And Jesus is also, he had a very specific mission to accomplish, which he did. And, in that time he, he yeah, I think is modeling mainly for us, but but, again, you see him, you see the father. So.

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Brenton
Yeah. Yeah. Good. Okay. So that was the first one. Secondly, can you give us some more insight into what what he means when he says to worship in spirit and truth? And I guess why was this question important to the woman?

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Chris
Yeah.

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Brenton
Well.

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Chris
The the Samaritans, as Jesus points out, had a, Problematic view of what what worship was they were worshiping at that time in the wrong place that there was Jerusalem was the place to, to worship. And, they, Clay pointed out his message. They only had the, you know, the first five books of the Old Testament.

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Chris
That was the only ones that they affirmed. So they were missing the Scripture. So there missing part of God's revelation at that point. And so, it's not too unlike today where you know, it's a different religion, but it's, you know, that I think the idea was or this is an equally valid way to worship, to worship God.

00;28;07;13 - 00;28;41;04
Chris
So I think this is really it was a really important for the, the, the woman to to hear. But, I believe, to worship in spirit and truth means to worship through the Holy Spirit and through Jesus. That that, spirit refers to the Holy Spirit and the truth refers to Jesus. And the reason I believe that is contextual, and this is something that I think is often misinterpreted, and the spirit is talking about, like, we need to have real spirit filled worship like.

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Chris
And what they mean by that is, inspiring, emotional, like a, a very, like, hearty response. And truth is like in the just the just the plain in, in what is true. And not the either of those are completely wrong. But in the gospel of John, the spirit that this word spirit here is, is always he's talking about Holy Spirit and Jesus.

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Chris
Again, I mentioned this earlier. He's going to talk about the Holy Spirit a whole lot, especially coming up in verses 14 through chapters 14 to 16. And then the truth, you know, John 14, Jesus says, I am the way, the truth and the life are you go back to chapter one and, John tells us that Jesus came full of grace and truth and, and, and and so when Jesus says you, the time has is has come and is now here.

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Chris
Okay. And who's here? Like what? Or who is here? Well, he's here where the true worshipers will worship in spirit and in truth. And and in chapter seven, he's going to say, like, whoever believes in me out of his, you know, what will flow out of him will flow springs of living water. And you know, a lot of imagery and all of that that has to do with the Holy Spirit.

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Chris
So I honestly think it's it when we really think about it and understand the context, it's pretty clear that he's saying that true worshipers worship, through the spirit. In Jesus, in the truth of Jesus. So you believe the truth of Jesus and you're in dwelt by the Holy Spirit. And that's how you can truly come to worship God.

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Brenton
Yeah. It's interesting. I was just before I, I need to do some more study on this, but I was reading the commentary quickly before we started on this, and it was actually took a different stance than you. But it was it was interesting. Like they brought up the, Mary's prayer, in, in Luke one where she says, my soul magnifies the Lord.

00;30;47;20 - 00;31;00;03
Brenton
My spirit rejoices in God my Savior. And so they were kind of drawing out that, you know, she had a pure worship from from her spirit. So it, again, I just I probably need to do a little more study on it.

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Chris
Yeah. And that's, that's that is not, I don't disagree with that, but that that's Luke two. It's not John four. It's not John. And what's more is, is is we understand that our spirit is only able to truly worship through the Holy Spirit, like there's there's no, There is a separated difference. But like, I nobody can worship the Lord unless the region regenerated and the Holy Spirit gives them the ability to do that.

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Chris
So this idea that that Mary's soul or spirit is able to worship, but just like on her own merit in her own ability, I think that's a false.

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Brenton
Yeah. For sure. Yeah, yeah. Well, in some of it, I mean, he's he's kind of referring to location too, because there was a specific mountain that they were the Samaritans were, were worshiping on. And so to to some extent, we're, we're kind of moving past the temple worship here.

00;32;00;15 - 00;32;21;28
Chris
Right, right. Well, yeah, what he's saying is like, he's it's not like you're not going to worship there. You're not going to worship in Jerusalem, that you're worshiping in spirit, in truth. And you can do that wherever the Holy Spirit is. And the belief in the mystery of of Jesus and. Yeah. So, yeah, yeah, I mean, I think again, you go to John 14 and it just kicks off.

00;32;21;28 - 00;32;37;07
Chris
I am the way, the truth and the life. The truth. No one, no one comes, I think you can say worships the father but by me. And then he almost immediately goes into three chapters where he he just continually talks about the Holy Spirit. Yeah. Okay.

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Brenton
Yeah. Interesting. All right. Well, I think we're going to call there. It's actually went a lot longer than I expected. I was expecting 20 minutes and I guess we're not too far past that. Yeah. Yeah I, I appreciate the conversation. Yeah. If you have any questions, let us know. Ask it for the podcast.com and we will talk to you next week.